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回覆 (351): Next Stop........... Statement?
Hi icefox,  
 
The Xono was fine, I just plugged in the cables wrong!  
 
It was nice to have the Dirty Dozen visiting my den, hopeful the sound wasn’t too awful to scare them off :-)   
 
I agree with feikeung’s comment in general, but I don’t think the soundstage presented by the Lenco was 2-dimensional. Yes, as I mentioned before, its layering and delineation of instruments within the sound stage could not compete with the Rockport, but it was not what I would call 2-dimensional.  
 
As feikeung mentioned, the strong point of the Lenco is in the dynamics and PRaT! When the music had it, the Lenco simply made me tapped my toes, and I just forgot all about soundstaging and frequency extension!  
 
I expect more improvement when we install the A90 on the Lenco and placed it on the anti-vibration table!  
 
thekong
10-09-28
12:00:27
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It's a shame, it looks like I missed a great party. I am still stucked in some remote location in the motherland. It would be some days before I regain my total internet access.  
 
Wicked Kong, how's the Passlab XONO?
icefox
10-09-28
11:15:38
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feikeung,  
 
please check PM.  
 
davwong
10-09-28
11:10:48
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was apparent although the sound improved drastically towards late of the session when most of the Dirty Dozen had already buggered off for the day………  
 
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seems like a groupie session is not the best way to evaluate. I will ask the Wicked kong to arrange a 161 session with you ^__*  
 
I agree totally, when most of the Dirty Dozen left - everything improved considerably, I guess less people absorbing the higher and lower frequencies, but more important was that the amps were fully warmed up by then.  
 
I also agree that the Rockport plays music dimensionally better - as in layering so this is also one of the reasons why the Wicked kong has suggested that the Lenco should sit on the hydraulic table next, rather than a standard equipment rack - this may give us a better assessment against the Rockport.  
 
With regards to your observation, yes the Lenco is very dynamic, has great energy and body to the sound, you could say is has a rounder mid bass - but as we heard the lower registers were also very apparent in the Wicked den.  
 
I do have a Motor controller which will arrive in the coming weeks which I heard last year and it makes an impressive improvement - certainly smoother and also very much darker background.  
 
If I could DIY a turntable which shoots down all those high end from the hips, I guess I would be a very rich man very soon ....... I will keep on trying ^__*
daiwok
10-09-26
21:13:43
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typo:  
 
"infancy" should read "early journey"  
feikeung
10-09-26
20:06:20
回覆 (347): Next Stop........... Statement?
typo:  
"...and alive" should read" live"  
 
 
 
feikeung
10-09-26
20:02:52
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I was wondering why Dai9Wok would bother playing the rather lacklustre version of Herbert Kegel’s Carmen on the ex East German Eterna label until I heard a “pop” (on track #?) which was exceedingly fast (fast attack and fast decay) and was very surprisingly well controlled. Other than that, the LP had nothing to write home about. Carmen being sung in German is ugly and you seem to get the impression that the soprano had something stuck in her mouth (giving heads?).  
 
I have frowned on those damned idle-wheel turntables for the longest time due to my experience with PE, Garrard, Dual and Lenco during my infancy into this audio lunacy. Yesterday’s session at the Pawn Shop was definitely an eye-popper. What is it that gives the Lenco the so conspicuous upper hand over belt-drives in the bass and mid-bass (more pronounced ----- Kong/Dai9Wok, correct me if I’m wrong)? The sound was so fast and the music (mid-bass) was dynamic and alive.  
Now the bad news. The Lenco compressed the music into a thin 2-dimensonal layer as if all the singers and musical instruments were emanating from the plane joining the ribbons (left and right speakers). When singing Matilda, Harry Belafonte was found no long walking about on the stage. Also smearing, which I believe had nothing to do with the Lenco, was apparent although the sound improved drastically towards late of the session when most of the Dirty Dozen had already buggered off for the day……………………………………….  
 
 
feikeung
10-09-26
19:24:58
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DIRTY DOZEN  
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After Yam Cha, the Dirty Dozen led by Dr Feikeung hit the Wicked Den ........  
 
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After 2 tracks on the Rockport, it was requested that the Lenco Ultima should be played with those same tracks ......  
 
Dr Feikeung was on the other side getting comfy and falling asleep until he heard something ....... was it rumble ???? he took control of the main Chair  
 
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Most of the Dirty Dozen stayed for a good session, by the time I had to leave I did notice the flakes of the back ceiling had dropped onto the floor ....... too much a good thing ? @[email protected]  
 
Dr Feikeung, appreciate your kind words and climaxing in front of us .... you even gave a round of applause ..... bravo !!  
 
Now if you want to hear some Rumble, you can go into Toy's R us and buy one of these  
 
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also available for those who want to study the stylus profile  
 
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or a cheaper version here  
 
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Now your totally equipped ! ^__^
daiwok
10-09-26
17:10:29
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wrong kind of slate  
 
daiwok
10-09-25
00:00:57
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diawok, I am already very broke :-(  
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I guess I am in the same boat :-( ! never mind, when you are ready, I will arrange ..... may be I can arrange for an audition at some point ..... been a while since I heard it myself ^__^
daiwok
10-09-23
23:56:00
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>Not Statement ? <  
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CP, I know I cannot afford a Statement :-)  
 
 
 
>Let me try and arrange it ^__* <  
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diawok, I am already very broke :-(  
 
 
thekong
10-09-23
23:48:01
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I suppose there is a possibility if I can afford a Rockport Sirius III :-)  
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Let me try and arrange it ^__*  
 
I think there are a number of things we can test before the Lenco is taken to the NEXT STOP ..........
daiwok
10-09-23
23:27:55
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I suppose there is a possibility if I can afford a Rockport Sirius III :-)  
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Not Statement ?  
 
 
 
cpsjj
10-09-23
23:25:43
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With the anticipation of diawok the Magic Hand bring in some heavy artillery, I was eager to sort out the problem of my Xono phono. To my embarrassment, rather then the phono, it was me who bowed under the pressure last Sat. In the heat of the moment, I simply plugged in the cables wrong. The phono was fine and well!  
 
With the problem sorted out and diawok finished fine tuning the Lenco, we finally had the chance to have some serious comparison between the Lenco/Terminator/Midas 103R and the Rockport/A90 combos. What we heard today pretty much reinforced the initial feeling we had last Sat. :  
 
The Rockport is slightly smoother and more refine, has a bit more extension (but not in quantity) in both extremes, and better layering and delineation of instruments within the sound stage.  
 
The Lenco, on the other hand, has better dynamics (oh…those explosive dynamics), authority, body, and PRaT! It just gives you all the excitement when the music calls for it!  
 
After diawok left, I did some more listening, and I believe the Rockport is slightly more quiet that the Lenco in the current set up, but I don’t think this is due to rumble. Don’t forget, the Rockport is sitting on a pneumatic anti-vibration table (which can improve on the quietness of a TT system considerably), while the Lenco is just being placed on a normal rack. Before diawok takes the Lenco back, we will definitely put it on the pneumatic table for a try, and I have no doubt that the background will be more quiet!  
 
So, if you like dynamics, I believe the Lenco is hard to beat! For me, like any logical audiophiles, I NEED both combos in my system :-)  
 
Is it possible to have the best of both worlds? I suppose there is a possibility if I can afford a Rockport Sirius III :-)  
 
 
thekong
10-09-23
23:20:32
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Today I went to the Wicked den and bought some artillery !!  
 
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the air tank that was on offer before was an embarrassment to my tonearm and was a direct attack on my pride and joy ! I decide to take action and bought something much more serious as you can see  
 
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Now we are talking !!!  
 
The effect was immediate, background was quieter, dynamics were better and refinement was in order. I spent some time tuning the air and the turntable and setup through a couple of records.  
 
Master kong decided to flex his muscles and showed me that my cheap skate tubes were just not cricket !  
 
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if you are serious, then use some SMC professional drawn tubing which has a much lower coefficient of drag giving less air turbulence !! at last I have his attention !!  
 
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This is a handsome line up and I am proud that my DIY turntable can sit among these giants ^__^  
 
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It was one THE most enjoyable hi fi days I have had in a long time. I left a very happy man ^__^  
 
now ...... where is the NEXT STOP ?  
 
daiwok
10-09-23
20:42:27
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Thank you for those kind words Master Limage and Sir CP ^__^
daiwok
10-09-23
20:34:21
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This is to challenge that the magic hand is not just good at push oil.  
 
Marvellous work, daiQwok.  
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
10-09-23
10:26:15
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What a bloody fucking job it is to adopt a child of questionable pedigree. You’ll have to be a noble idiot in the first place.  
 
Bravo dai9wok!  
 
limage
10-09-23
08:15:08
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Tender Love and Care Part 3  
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The arm still needs some minor attention elsewhere, one of the wire tubes is flexing and needs to be held in place  
 
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The internal damping spring is bent @[email protected]  
 
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The arm holder is loose and this is a very clever magnetic system which attracts to the arm. If you raise the arm you will see the underside where the allen key holding nut is, just tighten here  
 
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once again care must be taken as the tonearm wires here are normally solder to the 5 pin socket !! but not in this case as it has been ripped out !!  
 
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So happens I have a spare and it fits perfectly !! ^__*  
 
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The magnetic dampening need some work but I am getting very close ^__^  
 
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Now Sir CP - what kind of tracking force were you using with this adapter ? dearly me !!! @[email protected]  
 
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daiwok
10-09-22
23:53:38
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Tender Love and Care - Part 2  
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The spring metal is exceptionally well made and everything is in place and nothing stretched. The spring is attached to the bearing spindle which can be removed.  
 
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here we go !  
 
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Now the spindle held the arm pod which was in the way, this can be removed but with care as the wires are still attached. You can see the other side of the gimbal bearing and now with the cob webs we see the two screws which are loose  
 
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some cleaning and all is revealed  
 
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The top part of the arm shell is aligned and everything is tightened up, no more swaying !!! ^__^  
 
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Now fit every back together ..... simple ....right ! ^__*  
 
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You can see everything is aligned and you can see what the swaying did before which has grazed some paint work before
daiwok
10-09-22
23:47:37
回覆 (333): Next Stop........... Statement?
Tender Love and Care  
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Well the poor DV 505 has had some battering, so much that the front end was loose and it was swaying left to right . This was a pain in the butt to sort out. After studying the DV 507 I noticed that the front arm was screwed to the main arm via 2 screws but these did not exist on the DV 505. I noticed underneath the gimbal bearing was the 2 screws I was looking for. I decided to go for it and take apart the gimbal bearing.  
 
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Care must be taken as these screws are small and brittle. Do not force the screw, always check that they can be loosen easily, if not apply some WD40 and pray for a miracle.  
 
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The bearing nut can be unscrewed with ease  
 
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The tracking force cap can now come off  
 
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The cover and gimbal bearing cover can be taken off showing the spring metal which is used for apply vertical tracking force  
 
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the gimbal cover is off, luckily these are exceptionally well made and well greased up so that the tiny ball bearings inside did not even move out of position !!! marvelous ^__^  
 
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daiwok
10-09-22
23:42:49
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I'm glad it is now in good hands, bringing it from a guttersnipe to the noblesse. It was an abandoned child lying in the coldest corner of a shanty town.  
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I might have to adopt this orphan given it seems to get on well with the rest of the gang  
 
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There is still much tender love and care to be given to the DV 505 before it will actually be singing, but given it has a SME type headshell fitting, I will lots to carts to play with ^__^
daiwok
10-09-22
10:56:05
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>the 5 pin din at the back was ripped out, no idea who the last owner was thinking<  
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Maybe the last owner was trying to to change the arm wire to the one piece, all the way to the RCA plug, type!  
 
Ivory headshell, I remember Leo Fung made one for his Goldmund tonearm many years ago. I wonder whether he consulted limage on that :-)  
 
thekong
10-09-22
08:44:31
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I'm glad it is now in good hands, bringing it from a guttersnipe to the noblesse. It was an abandoned child lying in the coldest corner of a shanty town.  
 
 
cpsjj
10-09-21
23:22:48
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If you will be there this evening, I'll bring you the Dynavector.  
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Sir CP - this is very kind of you ! You have obviously saved this beast of an arm from the reclamation dump at your office or there about. It will need a lot of work to get this again, the dampening boomerang at the back is bent and needs to be reshaped to fit into the magnetic dampening slot, the 5 pin din at the back was ripped out, no idea who the last owner was thinking, so some soldering work on those delicate wires. Most of the bits seem to be there, I need to figure it out, but hey its a challenge and you never now it might just end up like this one when I finish with it  
 
kong - notice the ivory headshell ^__^
daiwok
10-09-21
22:31:32
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I doubted anything could be substantially better than the sheer musicality I heard from the EAR.  
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Master Limage, you may consider this EAR too for your A90.  
 
icefox
10-09-21
20:44:34
回覆 (334): Next Stop........... Statement?
what! another studer!
drwkng
10-09-21
18:28:55
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daiwok,  
 
If you will be there this evening, I'll bring you the Dynavector.  
 
drwkng,  
 
I'll bring you the Sony studer but it will be in pink. You will have to swap with limage cos he's got an orange but he prefers pink. You might ask for a premium for swapping. :-)  
 
 
 
cpsjj
10-09-21
18:07:34
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i must say i don't know much about stylus loading. i only look at the K&K site regarding the transformer loading. take a look here.  
 
http://www.kandkaudio.com/mccartsetup.html  
 
my point is that if we can vary the loading resistor automatically given the loading required, it would make the step up transformer easy to use.
drwkng
10-09-21
18:02:52
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The virtues of step-ups are that they last for life, absolutely trouble free too. They are quiet and last but not least, essentially free from coloration.  
 
 
limage
10-09-21
17:50:25
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As far as I know, there ain’t loading resistors in step ups.  
 
Some offer tabs on windings with which to optimize different cartridges, like Cotter and Audio Note do while most offer none, like my Koetsu which can only accept low impedance transducers.  
 
limage
10-09-21
17:42:54
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I don’t really like to deal with step-up transformers,  
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the problem is to do with the determining the loading resistor values. is it right? if there is an automatic way of calculating the loading, that wouldn't be any objection to step up transformers. right?
drwkng
10-09-21
17:28:57
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so what you are saying is that you were on the verge of a mental breakdown when you bought the Supratek. That explains it then^-^  
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mental break down - "no" but crazy may be ........ now I have met the rest of the crazy gang at Yam Cha, I feel normal again ^__^
daiwok
10-09-21
17:03:13
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Before the Supratek I went through countless SUT and Phono arrangements - I almost went crazy ! @[email protected]  
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so what you are saying is that you were on the verge of a mental breakdown when you bought the Supratek. That explains it then^-^
drwkng
10-09-21
16:58:06
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One of the main reasons I picked the Xono is due to its very high gain, which is necessary in my system. I don’t really like to deal with step-up transformers, so using a tube phono stage with very high gain usually resulted in high noise. The very flexible loading options in the Xono also help to match with different cartridges!  
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I am in the same boat on this one. High gain is a must, but it is very hard to achieve especially with tube MC. It has taken me like over 10 years to find a phono of this nature and that is quiet ! When I did find it, I did not even audition it, I just bought it ! I must have been mad, but I have kept and used it every since.  
 
Before the Supratek I went through countless SUT and Phono arrangements - I almost went crazy ! @[email protected]
daiwok
10-09-21
16:40:16
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One of the main reasons I picked the Xono is due to its very high gain, which is necessary in my system. I don’t really like to deal with step-up transformers, so using a tube phono stage with very high gain usually resulted in high noise. The very flexible loading options in the Xono also help to match with different cartridges!  
 
 
thekong
10-09-21
16:18:11
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the XONO ............ is a superb phono  
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Sorry to have mis-spelled the Xono. It was in fact on my shopping list when I had the Pass X0.2 as the control amp. An audition of the EAR phono, however, put me off almost instantly for 2 reasons:  
 
The EAR only cost me half as much and  
 
I doubted anything could be substantially better than the sheer musicality I heard from the EAR.  
 
limage
10-09-21
15:20:30
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>I suspect DaiQwok is slowly but surely taking over wicked kong to perch on the throne of the devil incarnate.<  
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That I am sure is already happening! :-)  
 
I was moving the preamp around to make space for the Lenco, so what happened to the Xono may only be simple connection problems. I will clean the connectors this week to see if the problem can be fixed!  
 
thekong
10-09-21
12:12:24
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You may not be aware buddies, but I suspect DaiQwok is slowly but surely taking over wicked kong to perch on the throne of the devil incarnate.  
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now now .......we are just brewing up something even bigger ^__*
daiwok
10-09-21
11:58:19
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I agree with kong's comparison so far, but I also sense the Lenco is not performing at optimal, well the arm at least. I will take my surge tank over to do battle as kong offered me something only as big as a 3L bottle of coke which is tiny compared with what I have install !  
 
Air pressure on air bearing arms can change the sound dramatically, by tuning in the air pressure one can dial in the refinement and transparency.  
 
It was a real shame the XONO died on one channel as this is a superb phono and the Herron had been sitting in the corner for some time for his chance.  
 
daiwok
10-09-21
11:56:52